A lot of people responded to a post I wrote last week about marketing like a douchebag. The post was written in response to an e-mail I received from someone who wanted me to come to a “herd building day” at an upcoming seminar he’s hosting.
While much of the feedback I received was in the form of objections to the use of the “d-word”, there were a couple of questions that jumped out at me that I wanted to take a few minutes to address. WARNING: the aforementioned “d-word” might pop up a couple of times in this post, so I’ll get that one out of the way first.
Question: Why did you describe the offending info-marketer as a “douchebag”? Answer: First of all, it has nothing to do with the fact that he’s an information marketer. I have no problem with information marketers, especially since I consider myself to be one…or at least I’m testing the waters. What I object to, and what inspired the name-calling, is bad information marketing practices. More on that later. The reason I used the word “douchebag” is that’s the only one I could think of that captured the visceral reaction I’d had to the email I’d received. I spent a good two minutes trying to find another word that captured the feeling. I couldn’t. Moving on.
Question: What is a “herd building day”? Answer: I have no idea. I tried to figure it out, but the page that the email linked to had very little information about what the event actually entails. Maybe you can figure it out. I’m not going to dignify the page with a link; just google “herd building day” (with the quotes); it’ll be the link right under the post from this blog.
I’m going to make an assumption, though: based on previous communication from this particular marketer, I would guess that a “herd building day” is designed to teach you how to create a group of people who will buy stuff from you, regardless of whether it has any real value to them, because you’ll know the magic formula for crafting your “marketing message”. Seriously. This is the kind of stuff this guy teaches. Of course, it could also be an inside joke referring to the fact that the people who sign up for the class are demonstrating the very herd behavior they’re hoping to learn how to create in others. Pretty sick, eh?
Question: Why do you object to the use of the word “herd”? Isn’t that just another way of saying “tribe”? Answer: Only if you’re a douchebag. I object to the idea of referring to your clients as a “herd” because a “herd” is a group of mindless animals, doing whatever they’re told to do, following wherever the leader goes. A tribe, on the other hand, is a group of folks who share a common vision and are working together to achieve it. There may be a leader, but if his head gets too big or he starts to milk the tribe for everything it’s worth, the tribe can kick the leader out or defect to a new tribe. Herds don’t do that, because herds don’t think; they blindly follow.
Question: How can I be an effective marketer without being a douchebag? Don’t I have to know how to manipulate people to make them buy? Answer: It’s pretty simple, really: start by respecting your clients. If you do, you’ll be more likely to create and market products that they want to buy, and you won’t have to manipulate them. The basis of bad marketing is that it assumes that, no matter what the product is or whether or not it has any real value, people will buy it if you have a great “marketing message”.
Forget that. No matter what these guys tell you, it’s total BS. Do you really want to sell people stuff that’s going to be useless to them or, worse, is going to piss them off when they realize that you have their money and all they have to show for it is a bunch of crap? If not, take the time to ask around and find out what kind of products your ideal customers want to buy. Of course, that assumes you know who your ideal customers are. If you don’t, start here.
If you start from a place of humility and are willing to ask how you can best serve your clients, you’re likelihood of success is greatly increased. Figure out how to create a product that will change the lives of your clients in a positive way, and they’ll beat a path to your door to buy it.








Great stuff Jerry
Thanks Robby. Glad you liked it!
“I object to the idea of referring to your clients as a “herd” because a “herd” is a group of mindless animals, doing whatever they’re told to do, following wherever the leader goes.”
Precisely. Some would rather be called a douchbag than part of a herd
Thanks Robert! I’m certainly in that crowd…call me a douchebag any time you like!
You’re certainly finding your voice
It’s good to finally see you writing the way you talk. Direct, honest; no apologies. Good solid righteous indignation doesn’t need apologies.
Thanks Joel! Getting the “stuffed shirt” voice out of my head has been a challenge, but I think you’re starting to rub off on me!
You guys are totally missing the point.
HERD is just the word Dan K uses for ‘a group of RAVING fans’… which is …incidentally.. the #1 success secret to the informarketing biz.
The fact that you could so easily scoff Dan Kennedy (the guy who taught all the gurus… douchebags and moral, high-value marketers alike… makes me quesion your authority to even speak on this topic.
Sorry to be harsh, but it’s the truth.
Hi Cory:
I understand that Mr. Kennedy is referring to his fans as a herd. In fact, that’s exactly what I find objectionable. Herd (as in ‘herd mentality’) has a negative connotation in my mind. The herd does what it’s told without thinking; the implication is that, if you employ Mr. Kennedy’s tactics, so will your fans.
I don’t want people referring to me as part of a herd, nor would I refer to others, especially my fans, as a herd. In my lexicon, being part of a herd means checking your brain at the door. That’s not something I support.
The fact that Mr. Kennedy has taught “all the gurus” is meaningless to me; how he treats his “herd” is what counts. I’ve subscribed to his newsletter for several years, and the manipulative, old-school tactics he employs are, in my opinion, abusive. I have no desire to emulate his practices, no matter how much profit it would bring me.
And you’re absolutely right to question my authority to speak on this topic…I applaud you! While you’re at it, question his, too. The fact his practices and advice are popular doesn’t make them right.
Thanks for chiming in, and please, never apologize for being harsh, especially when you’re speaking what you believe to be the truth.
Jerry
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Good stuff Jerry. People who can’t handle douchebag, need a little shock treatment…..in my household when I was growing up, the “f” word was used as an adjective!
Thanks for your comment, Gregg. I thought it was pretty mild, too, but there were a few people who were shocked! Oh well…can’t please all the people all the time, right? Thanks for reading!
Jerry
I received the email and clicked on the link. I decided to see what Herd Building was and I clicked on your link. Although I did not find exactly what I was looking for, after reading your post, I have decided I am no longer interested. (The price was highway robbery!)
I admire the fact that your link is on the top of the Google list when it comes to “Herd Building” and I wonder how it got there so quickly. (I would like to use those tactics for my website (which is not completed just yet)
Thanks for the wisdom and insight-have to set people straight or they can mindlessly be directed to this sort of a thing.lol
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Thanks Jani! I love that story, and I’m very happy to be ranking for that phrase. I think the kind of attitude toward clients engendered in the phrase “herd-building” is pretty telling about the program. If you’re serious about ranking well in the search engines, shoot me an email and let’s chat. The email address is jerry@jerrykennedy.com. I look forward to hearing from you!